's talk about that rebuttal by the great wayne lapierre. what's most amazing is that it did not at all mirror his barely concealed nativism which was on display in an editorial release that day. hurricanes tornadoes, riots, terrorists, gangs, lone criminals, these are perils we are sure to face, not just maybe. it's not paranoia to buy a gun. it's survival. it's responsible behavior, and it's time we encourage law-abiding americans to do just that. what do you think would have been the reaction, mark, if he had actually said that on camera? >> well, it might have been similar to the reaction that he got when they had that press conference after the newtown shooting which was sort of disbelief at how disconnected and extreme the nra's washington lobbyists are when most of us know nra members are ordinary folks who take guns and take shooting classes from the nra and think everybody should get a background check. the interesting thing here is not just how extreme wayne lapierre has become but how different the leadership has become from the members of this organization. >> but, mark, he'